Comments on: Golden Skans http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:08:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Cousin Cole http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-118038 Cousin Cole Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:17:31 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-118038 YUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAA!! YUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAA!!

]]> By: Martin http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35691 Martin Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:52:52 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35691 Casper: Yeah as i said, sorry about that. But at least maybe someting good came out of this with the whole discussion. Casper: Yeah as i said, sorry about that. But at least maybe someting good came out of this with the whole discussion.

]]> By: mc ren http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35669 mc ren Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:50:35 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35669 quite the post-modern crisis right here. a pickle, if you will. quite the post-modern crisis right here. a pickle, if you will.

]]> By: callmemickey http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35621 callmemickey Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:06:49 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35621 fuck it. ill chime in too. as you know i run callmemickey... and i try to keep it close to home and focus on shit coming out of philly and unknown shit that people haven't heard of... and it would be nice if i could keep it that way all the time.. but damnit if people wouldnt come to your blog to hear the great unknown shit you have unless they see that you are the first on hype.machine to post something that every blog in the world is going to post.. its a fucking shame.. cause then the bigger labels come at you like woah to pull down the popular stuff fuck it. ill chime in too. as you know i run callmemickey… and i try to keep it close to home and focus on shit coming out of philly and unknown shit that people haven’t heard of… and it would be nice if i could keep it that way all the time.. but damnit if people wouldnt come to your blog to hear the great unknown shit you have unless they see that you are the first on hype.machine to post something that every blog in the world is going to post.. its a fucking shame.. cause then the bigger labels come at you like woah to pull down the popular stuff

]]> By: papat http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35613 papat Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:00:41 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35613 It's really impossible to tell whether or not posting on blogs causes people to buy less records b/c they already have the tracks. In fact, the opposite could also be said. The blog audience might not necessarily be the record buying audience. It's possible that the people who are actually paying for the music are doing so based on buzz from those who have downloaded the tracks (or collect records etc). I don't think there is anything straight-up "wrong" with this race to post remixes - it just seems a little, well, crass. If it doesn't matter which blog posts a remix first then why does there need to be a race at all? It’s really impossible to tell whether or not posting on blogs causes people to buy less records b/c they already have the tracks. In fact, the opposite could also be said. The blog audience might not necessarily be the record buying audience. It’s possible that the people who are actually paying for the music are doing so based on buzz from those who have downloaded the tracks (or collect records etc).

I don’t think there is anything straight-up “wrong” with this race to post remixes - it just seems a little, well, crass.

If it doesn’t matter which blog posts a remix first then why does there need to be a race at all?

]]> By: Casi G http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35608 Casi G Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:16:07 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35608 I think this is the most interesting blog post I have ever read. But I don't really think that you guys posting mp3's on here are gonna impact record sales that much especialy of singles. If people are gonna buy a record they are gonna buy a record. If people are gonna down load a record they are gonna download a record. I think I hear more artists especially dj/producers who say people come up to them at gigs trying to give them money since they downloaded there album and then came to like it and showed up to there concert (which is the goal since this is where the artist really does get to see some money). So keep posting away. But ethically I think you should try to get clearance of what ever you post if its going to be released offically by a label. But if its not and its just some random remix by a random remixer then post away. I think this is the most interesting blog post I have ever read.

But I don’t really think that you guys posting mp3’s on here are gonna impact record sales that much especialy of singles. If people are gonna buy a record they are gonna buy a record. If people are gonna down load a record they are gonna download a record. I think I hear more artists especially dj/producers who say people come up to them at gigs trying to give them money since they downloaded there album and then came to like it and showed up to there concert (which is the goal since this is where the artist really does get to see some money). So keep posting away. But ethically I think you should try to get clearance of what ever you post if its going to be released offically by a label. But if its not and its just some random remix by a random remixer then post away.

]]> By: Casper C (fluokids) http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35601 Casper C (fluokids) Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:14:36 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35601 My opinion here is more to do with the fact that there is a bit of an axis of readership when it comes to blogs, of which ourselves and Discobelle (as well as Acid Girls, etc) are clearly a part of, and we shouldn;t be posting alternative remixes or tracks from the same release between us, as that really does negate the need for the general public to buy the track. The argument for low bitrate blog posting is a good one, but that isn;t something we would particularly support as it takes away the possibility of DJing tracks out, which is something we want to be ableto support... But I felt that once we had posted the dub (what did you think, we didn't have the vocal? I even mentioned it in the post!), and invited people to buy the full release, the vocal probably shouldn;t have been posted, especially by another blog as influential, and well read as Discobelle. Furthermore, I wasn;t name-dropping Erol because I think it is cool- I would have said the same of any artist. The fact is that my channel of communication is stronger than it is with most small artists, and it is they whom often get posted without permission, and some detractors would say, potentially suffer the most (although this is very much a moot point!). But I am in no way having a go at Discobelle. This is one of my favourite blogs, and I love what you do, it just made me cringe a little to see something posted when, perhaps for once, we had tried to do the 'right' thing... But as I said before, you weren;t to know that! But yeah, keep up the good work... And you know where to go for these kind of tracks Martin ;) My opinion here is more to do with the fact that there is a bit of an axis of readership when it comes to blogs, of which ourselves and Discobelle (as well as Acid Girls, etc) are clearly a part of, and we shouldn;t be posting alternative remixes or tracks from the same release between us, as that really does negate the need for the general public to buy the track.

The argument for low bitrate blog posting is a good one, but that isn;t something we would particularly support as it takes away the possibility of DJing tracks out, which is something we want to be ableto support… But I felt that once we had posted the dub (what did you think, we didn’t have the vocal? I even mentioned it in the post!), and invited people to buy the full release, the vocal probably shouldn;t have been posted, especially by another blog as influential, and well read as Discobelle.

Furthermore, I wasn;t name-dropping Erol because I think it is cool- I would have said the same of any artist. The fact is that my channel of communication is stronger than it is with most small artists, and it is they whom often get posted without permission, and some detractors would say, potentially suffer the most (although this is very much a moot point!).

But I am in no way having a go at Discobelle. This is one of my favourite blogs, and I love what you do, it just made me cringe a little to see something posted when, perhaps for once, we had tried to do the ‘right’ thing… But as I said before, you weren;t to know that!

But yeah, keep up the good work… And you know where to go for these kind of tracks Martin ;)

]]> By: shimmy shimmy ya http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35598 shimmy shimmy ya Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:59:43 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35598 well put... "this whole emphasis on the relative freshness or newness of a track that’s been plaguing blog comment sections the last year or so is a moot point when you remove it from the context of the internet." im with acid girls on this one well put…

“this whole emphasis on the relative freshness or newness of a track that’s been plaguing blog comment sections the last year or so is a moot point when you remove it from the context of the internet.”

im with acid girls on this one

]]> By: acid girls http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35480 acid girls Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:23:43 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35480 i completely understand jumping the gun and not waiting for erol's permission because it's often pretty hard to get permission to post a track. for most labels and artists, blogs are still an underacknowledged promotional tool (the redheaded stepchild who gives your work away for free? not a very enticing argument, on the surface). everyone here can acknowledge that there is a bit of a race to post a much anticipated track (even if there's not necessarily a promotional need to do so), and i personally don't feel that there's anything wrong with it. after all, how many people know or, ultimately, care or remember where a leak came from? the fact is, if the bloggers are in the (by my own evaluation, admittedly) right frame of mind, then posting a new erol mix of klaxons or the new justice, is often done in the same spirit as the posting of a lesser known track. it's based on the excitement of hearing new things. we're all neophiles, that's why we care. but this whole emphasis on the relative freshness or newness of a track that's been plaguing blog comment sections the last year or so is a moot point when you remove it from the context of the internet. when i dj, even if i'm playing a track that's a month or so leaked, it often hasn't come out yet, and mostly doesn't sound 'old' to anyone but dedicated internet seekers or frequent clubbers. it's just that sites like discobelle and fluo, and even ours, often get more hits per day than a label might even produce in the lifetime of a given release, so because the industry hasn't come anywhere near complete collapse, i feel that as of right now it's unnecessary to worry about the scale of damage being done to the indie record industry, as i imagine it's proportionate to a general shift in attitudes regarding what it means to purchase, consume or own a work of art. blogging (and specifically mp3 blogs), in and of itself, offers or hinders credibility only to those who visit blogs (in addition to small number of press, artists & labels). i think people should post whatever they feel alright, ethically, to post, so long as they're willing to accept the ramificiations and potential consequences (and , it should be noted, potential rewards) of their actions. you might piss an artist off that one day you'll dj with, you might never get comissioned to do a remix from a certain label, or have trouble getting someone to participate in an event that you're putting together. the opposite effect could be just as likely. after all, klaxons seem like some playfully strange bastards, maybe they'd be into all this. i completely understand jumping the gun and not waiting for erol’s permission because it’s often pretty hard to get permission to post a track. for most labels and artists, blogs are still an underacknowledged promotional tool (the redheaded stepchild who gives your work away for free? not a very enticing argument, on the surface). everyone here can acknowledge that there is a bit of a race to post a much anticipated track (even if there’s not necessarily a promotional need to do so), and i personally don’t feel that there’s anything wrong with it. after all, how many people know or, ultimately, care or remember where a leak came from? the fact is, if the bloggers are in the (by my own evaluation, admittedly) right frame of mind, then posting a new erol mix of klaxons or the new justice, is often done in the same spirit as the posting of a lesser known track. it’s based on the excitement of hearing new things. we’re all neophiles, that’s why we care. but this whole emphasis on the relative freshness or newness of a track that’s been plaguing blog comment sections the last year or so is a moot point when you remove it from the context of the internet. when i dj, even if i’m playing a track that’s a month or so leaked, it often hasn’t come out yet, and mostly doesn’t sound ‘old’ to anyone but dedicated internet seekers or frequent clubbers. it’s just that sites like discobelle and fluo, and even ours, often get more hits per day than a label might even produce in the lifetime of a given release, so because the industry hasn’t come anywhere near complete collapse, i feel that as of right now it’s unnecessary to worry about the scale of damage being done to the indie record industry, as i imagine it’s proportionate to a general shift in attitudes regarding what it means to purchase, consume or own a work of art. blogging (and specifically mp3 blogs), in and of itself, offers or hinders credibility only to those who visit blogs (in addition to small number of press, artists & labels).

i think people should post whatever they feel alright, ethically, to post, so long as they’re willing to accept the ramificiations and potential consequences (and , it should be noted, potential rewards) of their actions. you might piss an artist off that one day you’ll dj with, you might never get comissioned to do a remix from a certain label, or have trouble getting someone to participate in an event that you’re putting together. the opposite effect could be just as likely. after all, klaxons seem like some playfully strange bastards, maybe they’d be into all this.

]]> By: Martin http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35460 Martin Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:33:19 +0000 http://www.discobelle.net/2007/01/08/golden-skans/#comment-35460 Papat. Yeah, i guess i should have waited for the response from the people concerned. My bad. The last thing i wanted to do was upset someone whose music i appreciate a whole lot. Oh yeah, that Sebastian remix. That's the bomb right there. Papat. Yeah, i guess i should have waited for the response from the people concerned. My bad. The last thing i wanted to do was upset someone whose music i appreciate a whole lot.

Oh yeah, that Sebastian remix. That’s the bomb right there.

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