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• papat/north says:

  February 10, 2007 at 21:38

  Dude, you’re totally right. I should have been writing “racial predjudice.”

  as for this: “However, “wigger” is not, in fact, racist against white people: it’s racist against BLACK PEOPLE. It is the equivalent of calling a white person, a “ni**** lover.” The point of using such a phrase is to castigate white people for seeking cordial/civil relationships with black people.”

  That’s pretty much exactly what I’m saying here:

  “The fact alone that this term is used primarily by white people (something we cannot truly be certain of, but seems likely and therefore adds creedence to my claim) implies it’s racist intent. This has nothing to do with racism towards white people.

  Let’s start by breaking down the word: white + nigger. Well, we’re off to a great start and I shouldn’t really have to go any further. Colloquially the word means a white person who acts like a black person. The logical progression here should be obvious, but perhaps I should continue.”

• papat/north says:

  February 10, 2007 at 21:41

  Yeah, I wrote prejudice (god my spelling hurts sometimes) instead of racial prejudice because in the context of the argument I thought it unnecessary to distiguish it as such.

• R says:

  February 10, 2007 at 22:26

  Ian I was going to chime in but OW handled it.

  OW – you get a standing ovation from the bleachers for breaking it all the way down to the bone marrow.

• cole says:

  February 10, 2007 at 23:36

  “This all said: while I can’t say Uffie’s stuff is a great look, given how caricatured contemporary hip-hop has become, largely by Black artists, it’s not surprising to me that clueless White ironicists would replicate the same styles. My only surprise is that it took until the last few years for this to really crop up.”

  I can’t see whose style Uffie is replicating; I’ve never heard anyone rap nearly as bad as her.

• c**** says:

  February 11, 2007 at 05:50

  its hard to keep up with all the glitch…….. internet beef in 07!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• ian says:

  February 11, 2007 at 15:38

  O,

  You make some good points but let me kind of restate why I jumped into this conversation in the first place using the way you broke it down as my framework.

  Apparently the Hollertronix messageboard is populated by “wiggers” as described by a dude named mifi above. Now by “wigger” he doesn’t mean kids “seeking cordial/civil relationships with black people” but white kids who slavishly copy what they believe to be black modes of style, speech and behavior. Many so-called wiggers have no interest in meeting any actual real black people which is why they get derided by people like mifi and black folks alike but that’s a whole ‘nother conversation.

  Now I don’t know if this is really the case as far as the Hollertronix board goes, I didn’t go there to verify, but whether it is or not is pretty much irrelevant to my point. Papat, and I think a couple other folks, attacked Mifi as being a “racist” so I jumped in to question their use of that term in the context of this coversation.

  Using ODub’s analogy, they were essentially accusing mifi of amputating cats when he was inflciting paper cuts at best in my view. I’ll concede the point that yes, the word “wigger” is essentially racist but casual accusations of racism and use of the word racist essentially dilute the impact of those words and belittle the experiences of people, like myself, who’ve experienced real racism.

  Also, Papat yet again you jumped out the window and said something out of order with the line “You really need to calm down and stop being reactionary about this” right here but I’m taking your follow up response as being an apology/retraction so I’ll let it slide. Overall I am still puzzled by why you’re so hung up on establishing that use of the term “wigger” is racist, but if me conceding that will maybe help you move on and allow him to consider some weightier race-related issues, so be it.

  I.

• mifi says:

  February 11, 2007 at 18:27

  you know what. im sorry i used that word. teach me a new word to describe what ian said above, thats all im feeling and its all ihave ever felt about alot of hollerboard people for a couple boards now.

  and yeah, i have been wanting to come up there and diss some people up there but for the most part i like everyone on that board, also, so many people on that board love to get into race talk and try boast about whats racist and whats not and its usually white kids who are up there doing all that talking…whether which bmore track is “white” and crap like that.

  also, ian stated what real racism is up top, its not me using the “w” word to describe a couple posters on the HB.

  also, im not gonna go and diss people up on the board cause im not on that board to get into arguments, nor do i need kids jumping all up in the thread who i never speak to on there just cause they think they are some type of authority on race threads or anything else up there.

  north, from reading your post(s) on the forum i know you got better shit to do than worry about someone coming up here and making a comment about some HB kids, it isnt people like you im talking about.

• OW says:

  February 12, 2007 at 19:16

  >>“This all said: while I can’t say Uffie’s stuff is a great look, given how caricatured contemporary hip-hop has become, largely by Black artists, it’s not surprising to me that clueless White ironicists would replicate the same styles. My only surprise is that it took until the last few years for this to really crop up.”

  >I can’t see whose style Uffie is replicating; I’ve never heard anyone rap nearly as bad as her.

  Eye of the beholder. :)

• soundup says:

  February 12, 2007 at 23:25

  ian – anytime you attach a certain behavior to a race it is racist. you don’t need 12 paragraphs to figure that out. are u acting black? are u acting white? spanish? asian? the entire concept is racist.

  mifi – stop being an anonymous shit-talker. man up or shut up

  uffie – do your thing and forget the haters. dis tracks are tired

• I dont know what all that was (WHOCARRRRRRRRREEEESSSSS)... says:

  February 13, 2007 at 00:02

  But track is messy//// in a bad way.

• ian says:

  February 13, 2007 at 03:33

  Soundup, there are anthropologists whose work in the cultural studies field would belie your statement above. If this is the issue that outrages yall the most as far as racism goes, knock yourselves out.

• Combat Jack says:

  February 13, 2007 at 05:51

  There’s one thing I admire about White. They will make/ force you to feel their pain.

• Marxizm says:

  February 13, 2007 at 18:45

  anywayz, any-o-yall catch them wiggaz on the white rappah show!

  Hoohah!

• ian says:

  February 13, 2007 at 22:46

  Amen, CJ. That’s the second realest thing said in this entire thread, LOL!

• mifi says:

  February 13, 2007 at 23:13

  paging north:

  How superficial are you game (or The Dresscode Dilemma)

  check that thread….homie

• mifi says:

  February 14, 2007 at 20:18

  thats what i thought north

• your mirror says:

  February 15, 2007 at 15:47

  hahahahahha

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